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Post by lily on May 23, 2007 12:24:01 GMT
hello guys! I can't log in to this forum from work anymore but wante to post this before I left, please visit Magnus page, www.sellaband.com/magnus/?name=magnus&sort=progressmore sad news! and Willem is asking for help...I'm not sure how, but if someone can help me figure out a way I'll appreciate it.
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Post by EmpireOfOne on May 23, 2007 13:04:58 GMT
Since willem is the only one who has close contact he would probably be the only one to know the best way to help. If willem needs money to give to magnus to help him get out of there we could possibly funnel donations through willem to magnus. I'm not sure if that would help or not??
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whaley
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Post by whaley on May 23, 2007 15:39:30 GMT
I have no idea how we could help, but keep us updated on here (I rarely look at his profile myself, but I do see almost all messages on here)
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Post by lily on May 24, 2007 22:45:52 GMT
Hi guys, Willem, Magnus close friend, finally answered and wrote the following: "The situation in Conakry is very dangerous and bad. I just came back from there to The Netherlands and will return next week. I have to. Magnus is trying to get a visa to France but then needs gigs to stay in life but first we must raise some fund to pay his ticket and some cash to stay alive. If we can collect some money for him we/you can send it by Moneygram to him in Conakry where he can collect it. In the coming days I will try to find time to respond by separate email." please help me spread the word and please find it in your heart to help Mangus...just visit his page and read everything he's been through to understand why he needs our help. www.sellaband.com/magnus/?name=magnus&sort=progress or read tribune number 12: www.sellaband.com/tribune/edition12/I will be away until next Wednesday..please help me spread the word. I have a paypal account under salsadicta@aol.com, or if anyone has any other suggestions or ideas, feel free to share it with me. Lily thank you all, LIly
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arnis
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Post by arnis on May 25, 2007 10:55:47 GMT
It;s a tragedy, what is happening in Conakry and the people there. But I must say (and I know I'm going to take some flack here!) that looking through Willems profile and in particular the webpages on Willems site, I get some questionable vibes On the homepage, he has an amsterdam number us-africa.tripod.com/art/index.html , Pay attention to the last paragraph about terms and conditions. Our firend is also into diamonds it seems us-africa.tripod.com/art/diamonds.html. Selling wooden statues for a 1000 bucks which cost a pittance in africa also seems incongruent us-africa.tripod.com/art/statues.html. The magnus myspace page blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=130197214&blogID=198315682&MyToken=c6d365e3-9c6e-48c9-b531-5e26dd8629d6 has very well organised bank details with 2 telephone numbers and a fax number for the Magnus Childrens Foundation. I sense that Lily's big open heart could potentially be open to abuse. I sincerely hope my intuition and feelings on this are wrong and someone has info to correct me but at this stage but there is something I'm uneasy about which I cant quite put my finger on. I do see a solution however, it would seem that Willem is in Holland in the netherlands at the moment and perhaps someone could make very direct contact with him and check out whether all is OK and that all is in earnest and any money transfered via Lily's hearfelt pleas will actually serve the intended purpose. Maybe SAB offices or some active streetsmart dutch believer could help verify that all is on the level. My apologies to anyone that is offended by my cynicism but I feel it would be wrong not to express my feelings and it would also be tragic if the goodhearts of people like Lily were to be taken advantage of. Regards, the cold hearted cynical bastard in Latvia !!!
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Post by mawa on May 25, 2007 11:18:03 GMT
For the record from another cold hearted cynical bastard:
I would be indeed willing to help here, but a more or less direct assurance that this help will arrive where it should, would be a requirement.
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martin
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Post by martin on May 25, 2007 11:35:16 GMT
Oh well I trust Lily,so Ive got try to help,no probs with your worries lets just hope they are unfounded
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Post by Sheet Metal on May 25, 2007 12:33:45 GMT
I have to agree. I work on an international level, and I often recieve please very similar to this.
I'm not saying that this IS fishy, but looking at the "evidence" above, the alarm bells are definitely starting to ring.
I started to feel a little uneasy yesterday, but couldn't quite put my finger on why.
Thank you for having the courage to post this Arnis. I have to say that I agree.
/dreb ducks and runs for cover
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arnis
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Post by arnis on May 25, 2007 12:45:30 GMT
Absolutely no question about trusting Lily,,,,, I am sorry if my remarks were construed that way. That was not at all what I was trying to say !!! Like Mawa I am ready to chip in, I was one of the first believers in Magnus but something doesnt seem right. If Willem is on the level, he will understand my reservations and should be in a position to placate my fears. If he becomes defensive and starts questioning this lack of trust then my reservations will grow further. I felt the need to say what I said. Please consider, if Lily does act as a collector for Willem and if my fears turn out founded, how will she feel afterwards? Like I say if all is ok and Willem is in the Netherlands as he says then we have the opportunity to check the situation in more depth. If he doesnt understand and acts offended or defensive then I would say something is rotten in Denmark ! Oh bgr I,ve upset the Danes now :-(
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Post by lily on May 25, 2007 13:18:19 GMT
hi guys, I'm supposed to be at the airport but can't leave without commenting on this threat. I've kept communication with Willem (up to 2 months ago when his wife died) and Magnus (up to the time when the war started) ever since they joined sellaband back in November. Willem has never ever ask for help or any money all these months, our daily communication was merely about Magnus. In fact I'm sure both me and him thought the worst about Magnus' conditions and were waiting for a confirmation before making any statement. Now that I know Magnus is alive I will do anything to try to take him to a safe place. I know for some of you whom didn't know Magnus or didn't communicate with him when he was able to this whole situation is difficult to trust, but not for me. I've communicated with Willem at times daily and I know there's nothing 'fishy' about this request. I actually asked him twice how we can help until he finally answered. Willem is travelling still and I will try my best to direct him to this threat so he can answer some of these valid questions for you while i'm gone. To those whom opened their hearts and are already contributing and/or providing ideas on how else we can help, thank you! I should have more information when I come back. Lily
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arnis
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Post by arnis on May 25, 2007 14:04:37 GMT
Ok OK, I sincerely wish to be proved wrong for once!! Practical steps, I read somewhere that the current situation is that Magnus is applying for some kind of Visa to go to France. Could you find out through which establishment he has made his application, I assume it will be an embassy or consulate in Guinea or Liberia. Could we get a scan of his passport or at least passport number with full issuing details, date of expiry, date of birth, personal code, if there is one etc. I have a chum who was the commercial attache of the French Embassy in Riga and is on good terms with the ambassador and maybe (cant promise) I can get info on the requirements for the visa and possibly on the status of Magnus's application. I think these would be practical steps towards getting Magnus out of Guinea. Corkary seems to hit the news a lot, does anyone know what the situation is like in Liberia?
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mandocello
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Post by mandocello on May 25, 2007 14:27:13 GMT
Something is going on wrong here Arnis. African diamons and children do not mix. Neither do Blood and diamonds. And that's what African diamonds are all about.
I say to Magnus: Get the heck out of there NOW! Just leave. If you are in danger then walk, run, swim, bike.....whatever you must do. Just go. There are always ways to get out. Always. If you are on the level and wish to get out then do so. Sneak out. Then we can help you. Otherwise you will waste your life for blood and war. Forget the music, the diamonds, and the children fund. Just go. Your life is most important.
And I say to anyone else here and otherwise: If you are dealing in diamonds from Africa and have put money in I, or Spellbox....WE will not accept it. We are not about War and suffering. And we do not want money that comes from that trade. If I find out that ANYONE that believes in us is doing this, I will ask sab to block them from investing in us.
Mysti will have to make her own decission on this matter.
I do not like what I just read on the Magnus tripod link at all. That is very wrong. Suffering comes to those who profit from others' suffering....
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Post by campuslegend on May 25, 2007 16:41:52 GMT
d**n I feel bad
I think I might also a cynical bastard too. Something just didnt feel fight to me and I've grown to trust that. I feel its a bit harsh to call Arnis a cynical bastard just for pointing out that he feels a bit easy about the situation.
Its better that someone points out these things to us so that we get a balanced view of situation. Far too often funds get raised and fail to reach the end user. As Arnis says I hope he not right. The bank manager has an more uneasy feeling when looking into the links. And therefore will therefore not be releasing fund for the "cause" at the moment.
I intend to look into this more before I try to convince him to do otherwise
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martin
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Post by martin on May 25, 2007 19:02:41 GMT
Im sticking to my guns guys,Lily has asked for our help and I am happy to help out.The money is safe inLily's paypal account until such time as it is needeed
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Post by Sheet Metal on May 25, 2007 21:16:56 GMT
No one is questioning the Lovely Lily - her heart is definitely in the right place! I wonder about this because no-one can truly know *anyone* over the internet. I've seen about four or five cases where a person is "groomed" for about 4-6 months. They will usually pick a high profile person in a web community, therefore "borrowing" the respect that the person has built upwithin that group. After about 2 months the trickster will suffer a problem, usually an insurmountable issue, such as a death in the family, and they will be wiped out financially but will *not* ask for help. Then a few months later, after the victim has made repeated offers of help they will grudgingly accept help for a secondary issue which has happened. Please believe me, I do not have any idea WHAT the situation is here, but I do think it requires further investigation. This is for the protection of Lily, not so I can save a few dollars. Most of the scams are operated from Amsterdam or Nigeria.. www.scamorama.com/I'm sure this is all fine, but if Willem is a diamond & art dealer, couldn't HE help Magnus financially? I'm sorry if I have offended anyone, but I would not feel right if I didn't say what I was worried about. Dreb
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