fabian
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Post by fabian on Mar 4, 2010 13:57:25 GMT
Hmm... on the other side, we've never heard an official statement about the ArenaFest-Disaster (other than oSab HQ saying they were in legal action without any details) and there always are both sides of the story... At least the myspace page still exists ;D www.myspace.com/sellabandarenafest |
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Utterly B Groovy
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Post by Utterly B Groovy on Mar 4, 2010 14:08:36 GMT
I agree, Mr. V and Mr. O with their ArenaFest project have been a bunch of tricksters, fooling the believers - at least trying it ;D There ya go again... The demise of the Arenafest partnership was because of Arenafest, not because of Sellaband. Sellaband didn't cause the problem, they just fell for the hype! Sellaband is not Arenafest ... unless there's something else I missed? Fooling the believers how? why? Are you saying you think they knew it was all false and went for it anyway? Why? What on earth had they to gain from it? I find it hard to think you actually believe that because it just seems so nonsensical, which is what makes me think you're just trolling for reaction (again?) ... Hey Ho I think SAB should have passed on opportunities that did not fit almost all 50k artists at that time. I guess we will definitely have to agree to disagree on that one. As I see it, just one SAB act breaking through would have brought the spotlight onto SAB, which would have benefited all the Artists, so turning down opportunities to push even just one of the $50K Artists would have been foolish, but each to their own. It would also have to be a pretty strange partner that would have genuine interest in all the genres in the SAB $50K Library and they might end up looking for a loooooong time before they find that natural fit you're so keen on! You're right that it was a bit odd that the whole shebang seemed to change to hinge on Arenafest lock, stock, and barrel though! Maybe they saw the storm coming and Arenafest looked like the life raft - indeed maybe it was the life raft. Shame it too sunk! ... and was Public Enemy the next life raft, that also started to take on water when PE decided to not publicise their own SAB campaign ... Hmm... on the other side, we've never heard an official statement about the ArenaFest-Disaster (other than oSab HQ saying they were in legal action without any details) and there always are both sides of the story... ... and now I guess we never will ... Utt |
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Post by mawa on Mar 4, 2010 18:58:24 GMT
@ubg, now you did it ! You made me dive into my memories and to remember that time, something I actually didn't wanted to do  If I remember correctly - and I write this here only because I think its still funny - my first public comment about Arenafest was along some other sceptical remarks the question, how does it come, that SAB selected as posterboys for Arenafest of all bands actually someone, who does not even qualify by the T&C of Arenafest as a candidate, that beeing EES, so not from the US, Canada or Europe as the conditions dictated. I think I got even a quite angry reply from the boss himself on that one, saying something about 'whitecards' they can pull. But really enough of that now, yes, you are right, this is a nice and cultivated forum, and we all want it to be that way, so let the past be the past. |
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thor
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Post by thor on Mar 4, 2010 19:57:19 GMT
@ubg: It wasn't me who use the word 'trickster' first. I simply don't believe that poor BonoV was so totally innocent and tricked by some evil people. ArenaFest was announced as a partnership. And if you do some business (and other things that envolves a partner, too ;D), you should choose your partner carefully, be realistic and not blinded by some illusions and megalomania.
And a reason why could be to show activity, raise expectations, keep believers investing (remember the $10k rule for participating artists?), and voting. All only for the short term, building a house of cards, but that's just the usual way of SAB HQ's thinking. They don't like long-term customers, we know it...
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berry71
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Post by berry71 on Mar 4, 2010 20:52:10 GMT
Wow, didn't mean to cause such a commotion by dropping the word Arenafest.... For me a lot of disappointing things happened on SAB. Caused by (some) artists promising things they didn't fulfill, caused by partnerships that led to nothing, caused by the lack of communication from SAB. But I am honest to say: I decided to wait what Arenafest would bring because I agree it sounded promising.
So I was only trying to make clear that that was the time I definately lost faith. Not just because of Arenafest.
But hey, I still like to look back at the positive things: the friends I made, the great music I discovered, the concerts I've been to and...the lessons I learned ;-)
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thor
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Post by thor on Mar 5, 2010 4:45:16 GMT
Exactly, Berry. All these things, and I could add some more like security leaks, improvedwebsites... And you mentioned artists too, who didn't fulfill promises, and who are violating the T&Cs by needing much more than a f**ing year for their recordings. This all is disappointing and frustrating, in sum. To your positive things, I can agree too, and not to forget the soap-opera like entertainment Sellaband was offering. Maybe it would have been even boring if everything went smooth?  Just two weeks ago, I received a CD from one of the french competitors. I signed up there only 128 days ago and bought a part in an artist who was close to the goal some days later. So this band managed to produce their CD in less than 4 months! Btw., the CD was personally handsigned by all band members, had a personal dedication and included my "believer" name inside, without the need to buy more than one part to be eligible for those "special incentives" ... and guess what: A share there was €5. It simply works. Well, maybe there are discussions, too which I don't understand because they are in French ;D - but I didn't experience any website chaos at least. |
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Utterly B Groovy
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Post by Utterly B Groovy on Mar 5, 2010 8:50:44 GMT
@ubg: It wasn't me who use the word 'trickster' first. LOL, no, but you cleverly twisted my original meaning to suggest that SAB-HQ were somehow in collusion with ArenaFest. Perhaps to try and elicit an 'angry' response by twisting my words? If so, that's most certainly a troll. If not ... The school yard name changing is becoming a little wearisome too. I simply don't believe that poor BonoV was so totally innocent and tricked by some evil people. ArenaFest was announced as a partnership. And if you do some business (and other things that envolves a partner, too ;D), you should choose your partner carefully, be realistic and not blinded by some illusions and megalomania. Well, either way SAB-HQ didn't come out of it smelling of roses that's for sure! I consider myself to be a reasonably intelligent person and yet I've fallen for the odd scam myself. I don't say it's impossible that SAB-HQ did it on purpose, but the damage done to the company's reputation is out of all proportion! I've met JohanV on a number of occasions and I find it hard to believe that he would ever have knowingly done something to damage Sellaband. That's not to say he might not have made a few mistakes whilst at the helm, but it was his company! Why would he choose to do things that would be detrimental to its future? ... and it's possible that I totally misread him, but I doubt it. ... tricked by some evil people Yet again you seem to always jump to the worst conclusion. LOL: I guess I always choose to think the best of people until I see proof of errant behaviour - it's these d**n rose coloured spectacles again ... unfortunately I got 2 for 1 at specsavers ;D It is possible that the ArenaFest people were specifically out to scam a few 10's of thousands of dollars out of SAB but it seems unlikely. More likely is that they thought they'd found a niche in the market and went for it ... only to discover that they were ill prepared for the job and it collapsed. I guess it's a moot point now either way. And a reason why could be to show activity, raise expectations, keep believers investing (remember the $10k rule for participating artists?), and voting. All only for the short term, building a house of cards, but that's just the usual way of SAB HQ's thinking. They don't like long-term customers, we know it... I suspect they (SAB-HQ) were watching the funds drain away and were looking for any and all opportunities to try and stop the rot. Of course, ultimately they failed and they've now paid the price. Of course ArenaFest was to help get more people to throw more money at SAB Artists! Of course they want to raise expectations, of course they want to keep Believers investing! LOL: That's the whole point of the website from the ground up! That's the reason you run a company! As CEO do you think it would have been a good move to tell everyone it was all going to hell in a handbasket? You obviously don't know much (or anything!) about running a company - you do ANYTHING that you think might help keep it afloat. If the company fails _everybody_ loses! You obviously have your own ideas about the honesty and integrity of the various people at oSAB and I have mine, but in the end I don't think it really matters one way or another as the company sunk. A new broom sweeps clean, and let's hope the new people can get the ball rolling again ... UBG ps It is ever a joy to be an optimist and I wouldn't have it any other way ;D |
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Post by mawa on Mar 5, 2010 9:24:30 GMT
Dear Mr. Topicstarter...and therefore also the one, who gave it the title it has... actually there might be a reason to review the past, if even only for some sentimentality, but I would still suggest a different topic for that Oh, and congratulations to the first one, who is able to be an optimist in regards to the past, thats quite an accomplishment |
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thor
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Post by thor on Mar 5, 2010 11:29:28 GMT
Just for the record, I don't think anyone did it on purpose and was a trickster. But what kind of synergies do you expect from two clueless startups without any sense for reality teaming up? 0 x 0 = 0
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thor
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Post by thor on Mar 6, 2010 5:25:57 GMT
Here's something that is not bad at all: Two artists reached their goal in spite of all the chaos and transition: John C Fraser and Aryn Michelle.
It still looks a bit strange to me that it happened so quickly, suddenly, and I really don't have an explanation for it. Are these really relocated parts from artists who were leaving? Did some believers want to push these two artists out of the chaos to a more or less safe haven, because nobody knows what the future will bring? Anyway, it's a something great!
Though I don't know who could be the next one. The current #1 you can forget about, unless their goal will be changed. Last seen 17th Feb says it all. The #2 is passive for years, you cannot even watch her profile because it's redirected to MySpace videos, the lowered goal didn't help and is unlikely to be reached. #3 is very active and and constantly rising week by week, might eras come and go, but is still below 50%.
And some other good thing: It has never been so easy to become a Top 100 artist on Sellaband, the "first and most professional" fan funding platform! With lousy $850 you'll get a save position! ;D
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Post by Lucretia on Mar 6, 2010 14:33:36 GMT
Well Thor, pushing them into a "safe haven" could in fact also be viewed as a test of the new Sellaband management.
We've all heard stories from artists on OldSAB - now the new owners have a chance to prove they are bigger and better and don't wait 3 months before paying bills etc. etc. So when these artists can tell us how much better the NewSAB is maybe it can give back some confidence in believing again.
So it's yet another chance to prove whether we are heading for improvement or just being fed more of the same old words which don't lead to actions
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thor
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Post by thor on Mar 6, 2010 19:22:47 GMT
We've all heard stories from artists on OldSAB - now the new owners have a chance to prove they are bigger and better and don't wait 3 months before paying bills etc. etc. Yes, let's hope so, for the new artists. And may the 2008 artists finally release their CDs. I'm curious if the promise "7 releases within the upcoming 3 months" is still valid (from Feb.09, means 1 month already passed without any release). And I hope the artists are not afraid of telling the real reasons and talking about unforseen circumstances again when team SAB refuses to pay and thus delaying the recording process. |
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berry71
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Post by berry71 on Mar 7, 2010 9:41:07 GMT
I'm curious if the promise "7 releases within the upcoming 3 months" is still valid (from Feb.09, means 1 month already passed without any release). Well I am sure that this is not going to happen. I heard more stories of expected delay because of SAB did't pay some invoices yet... |
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thor
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Post by thor on Mar 7, 2010 10:32:19 GMT
I'm curious if the promise "7 releases within the upcoming 3 months" is still valid (from Feb.09, means 1 month already passed without any release). Well I am sure that this is not going to happen. I heard more stories of expected delay because of SAB did't pay some invoices yet... How great to know. So that announcement from February has been bogus, too. Only to make believers think that things are on the way.  Well, one year, 1 1/2 years, 2 years... it doesn't matter. |
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berry71
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Post by berry71 on Mar 7, 2010 20:34:02 GMT
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Well, one year, 1 1/2 years, 2 years... it doesn't matter.