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Post by theliberian on Jun 1, 2007 8:35:28 GMT
Dear Kegar. I would highly appreciate if you check the Chamber of Commerce in Hilversum and check for EEC Events B.V. (NOT ECC) which was registerd from 1991 till 2001 and located in 's-Graveland. If you want some references check please contact Nike Europe and Swatch International in Biel/CH Mr. Nick Hayek (president). Yes I lived in Guinea for many years but also traveled up and down between Guinea and Sierra leone where I worked for 2 years. The Guinea numbers have been changed several times and my present number in Guinea is +224 64426765 or 64344369. I am only few days per month in Guinea. These days I mainly stay in Liberia where you can reach me at +231 6490817 and I will be there again after June 9. This week you can reach me in Holland after I returned from the Antilles and my phoen number is +31 6108900773. Can you explain me a little bit more about the "fishy business"? I would like to know what that is. Regards Willem Selling african diamonds, statues etc under a non existing company (as you say yourself it doesnt exist anymore since 2001) and outdated contact information. It is an Art and Gift to explain everything in the negative. You are looking for reasons to crucify- why ? If you would have taken the time to read the website you would know that the company is registered in Guinea and Liberia since 2001. Your are welcome to check there at the KvK but I am sure you will find an other stick to flog. Also I don't see the problem in the case I would be a diamond and statue seller- what is wrong with it? If there is anything wrong with it go to the jewelry shop around the corner and slab the owner in the face. This is my last response to this discussion about my company and activities, I have a job to do.
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Post by mandocello on Jun 1, 2007 16:16:05 GMT
Hey theliberian, JUst why not go away. We simply don't believe you. To many red flags. Find another online community to scam. You've used enough words to defend yourself. You don't need our help....because there is no help needed.....poor Lily...she has fallen for your bull crap....Passports....Gigs to survive on! Ha! I can not survive on Gigs and I'm a pro touring musician that sells records.....How in the world do you actually believe we could believe Magnus could survive on Gigs.....silly stupid man. I'm sick of hearing your whinning and lies....go somewhere else with you blood-diamond rap now please....I do not thing this board believes your words...
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Post by lily on Jun 1, 2007 22:08:06 GMT
wow mandocello..you just don't like to read! who says we don't want him..you adn three other people? well a lot more think otherwise, this is why we raised $600. This is obviously not a threat for you to get involved...as stated before, if you don't want to help, cool..we got the point. But your comments are very uncalled for. does anything positive ever come out of you? ever?
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Post by kegher on Jun 1, 2007 22:18:05 GMT
wow mandocello..you just don't like to read! who says we don't want him..you adn three other people? well a lot more think otherwise, this is why we raised $600. This is obviously not a threat for you to get involved...as stated before, if you don't want to help, cool..we got the point. But your comments are very uncalled for. does anything positive ever come out of you? ever? Just as a note, I've never wanted him not to be hear and I'm glad he's trying to answer our very difficult questions, but in my opinion these really need to be asked. To the liberian, I'm sorry I was confused with another tripod site of yours.
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Post by mandocello on Jun 3, 2007 23:19:44 GMT
wow mandocello..you just don't like to read! who says we don't want him..you adn three other people? well a lot more think otherwise, this is why we raised $600. This is obviously not a threat for you to get involved...as stated before, if you don't want to help, cool..we got the point. But your comments are very uncalled for. does anything positive ever come out of you? ever? No Lily. Not in this case. I see a different world than you do. Someone wrote this to me: "I think it is sad that magnus is doing that... i know a woman from africa, and she brought 11 kids from there with NO money, bearfoot, out of desparation to save their lives, because it is REAALLLLLY bad there. HOWEVER, ....she did it...and this thing is strange...getting six hundred dollars to magnus to move to paris? to play music? nuts!!!! GIVE ME SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS TO MOVE TO PARIS AND PLAY MUSIC I WILL SING ABOUT SAVING CHILDREN AND AIDS BEING REAL" allow me to quote mysti mayhem in responise to this shady thread Mysti Mayhem Wrote: "6-3-07 Poem, titled "Dear World" written by Mysti Mayhem Dear World, I am so tired of trying to get along in a grey world where outlines are blurred and communication is flawed. Silly, stupid humans. No one wants to hear the truth. Sugar coated candy words, all that candy will rot your teeth. And if you express your soul with your voice, your heart becomes sticky from this mask. Oh how I despise speaking, how frivolous, meaningless and automatic it can be. "How is the weather where you are? How is your dog. Did you see that tv show...? Yes, I am fine", the truth is I am not fine, and I would rather just get along than bother you with my honesty, because I know that when someone asks me ´How are you?´, it is mostly out of habit and an opportunity for them to talk about themselves when my automated response should be "I am fine, how are you?". And NO I do not want to hear about your new Prada purse, or your new playstation. I don´t care about your favorite TV show or new fling, but I would love to hear about your adventures, your experiences with life and your contributions to anything other than yourself. I am not a material girl, and in fact, I am violent and wild like nature in a test tube made out of meat. I will not give you sugar coated words, I will not lie to you to make you feel better about yourself, and I am not interested in being what you want me to be so I can climb the rungs of the social ladder. I am not an artist, I am a work of art, and so are you! But that whole disguise of smiling pretty, social norms and choking on lies and blood diamonds cut my arteries. I am positive, positively sure that most of the actions made by those who grin ear to ear and are nice and complacent to everyone are pathetically opportunistic. Never have I gotten along with the majority. I would rather watch from my nest as the lemmings fall from their cliff and pretend to fly just before they hit the ground. My wings are real, and I do not need your acknowledgement to soar. Problems with my honesty? GOOD, that means you are thinking. Offended by my reality? FANTASTIC! That means I am challenging your perceptions. I have compromised my body for my music. I have naively believed the unbelievable only to gain nothing. I learn quickly. I would rather tell you how I feel and risk your opinion than conform to your distortions. When you die, I am the one left who has to live with me. If I spend my time trying to say the right thing to please you, I have to do that for everyone, and I would go crazier than society has already made me. No, sugar coated words you will not receive from me. Just the truth. Feel free to edit content to suit your sensitivity, because I will not do this for you. Honesty is my language. I can speak nothing else. Your comprehension is your issue, not mine. I will not be quiet while the ignorant and sensitive robots demand bland responses or nothing at all. If we cannot handle truth on all levels spoken from individual uniqueness, then we live in a fairy tale with no story.-poem 6-3-07" That pretty much sums it up. If Magnus wants out...if he wants help....he could at least do SOMETHING on his f**king own to make that happen. Instead of Getting you and others to be his pawn. He is not as helpless as you make us all think. Gigs? He needs Gigs to survive? Thats' crazy! Can you survive on gigs? No! Can anyone on sellaband? No! How can he "Save The Children" If He can't even save himself? PS. You should learn not to piss off dragons..... Now go make your 50k record. This is sellaband....not saveaband
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Post by klaus on Jun 4, 2007 15:01:00 GMT
Mandocello
I was reading back in this thread trying to figure out what Lily did to piss you off so badly. So far I'm coming up empty.
From where I stand, this is really simple: If you don't trust this thing, don't give any money. There are lots of charities including United Way that I refuse to give money to. I have my reasons and I don't yell at them for doing their work the way they choose. If you think someone here did something horribly wrong, I think we all want to hear it but so far I have seen nothing of the kind. Arnis has very well articulated his doubts and I think they were all answered point by point (Arnis, please correct me if I'm wrong).
Have you ever considered that your assumption about things could be completely wrong?
Klaus
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Post by mandocello on Jun 4, 2007 17:19:46 GMT
Sure, I could be wrong. But considering all the scam emails I've recieved over the last couple years on ebay, craigslist, yahoo, myspace, etc, from African nations asking for money or trying to sell me something, usually diamonds, or offering me 10 percent of millions of dollars If I will transfer funds to an undisclosed bank account......I'm going with my gut here. I think Lily's getting scammed, for one. #2 when I first joined sellaband I was spammed from Magnus about this whole save the children thing. And when I posted on his comments to not spam me anymore, Lily bit my head off for speaking my mind to Magnus, and then proceeded to inform me that as a late arriving artist, that Mysti, Spellbox, nor I would NEVER make the 50K mark because only the artists that were on here first and early would ever succeed. She was wrong then too. Sellaband is a business...not a chairty. I think everyone here that gives money to this cause is being scammed. That's my view and I am allowed to speak my opinion. If The Liberian is indeed Magnus' manager, then he is a poor one to ask for money on his artists' behalf. And I doubt he knows squat about the music business. But it does seem he knows a bit about selling stones that fund wars and suffering. Prove to me that Magnus, The Liberian, and Lily has saved ONE SINGLE CHILD. eh? No, you can not. You can give all you want. BUt I will not sit by while someone from New Jersey tells me I know nothing....... And I do not just sit around and complain either....read this..... mystimayhem.blogspot.com/2007/01/soldiers-deserve-music.html
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Post by ucancalmesweethart on Jun 4, 2007 18:38:07 GMT
Alrighty - I guess Id like to know the current names of the board of directors of the LLC - and how I can obtain a copy of the LLC statutes - those are legal and should be available for any public entity interested. I have done my research on USAfrica LLC as listed - the web page is useless and vague in these regards. Lily, could you please obtain a copy for me - any smart business transaction or legal nonprofit will request, make available and read before linking themselves or their name to an LLC. Thanks much, muah beijos Elise
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Post by klaus on Jun 4, 2007 20:05:58 GMT
I will not sit by while someone from New Jersey tells me I know nothing....... Hey, hey, careful with the Garden State references - we New Joiseyans may fight among ourselves, but when outsiders talk about us, we're always united About the rest: So there is some past history outside this thread, I guess, and it may color the exchange a bit... Either way, my perspective on this whole affair is: I like Magnus' music and have bought parts. If there is something I can do to help with that is relatively pain-free and low-risk for me, I'm more than willing to do it. I don't see how Lily's effort can be construed as overly antagonistic - actually I have to admit in this whole exchange she is coming across as the mature and non-confrontational one. It doesn't necessarily mean she has to be right, only that she doesn't let her temper get ahead of her Maybe one day we'll all laugh about this with Magnus at one of the Sellaband gigs - I for one would enjoy seeing him live without having to travel to Liberia since it's a bit out of the way from my usual travel routes :-)
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Post by lily on Jun 4, 2007 21:22:15 GMT
#2 when I first joined sellaband I was spammed from Magnus about this whole save the children thing. And when I posted on his comments to not spam me anymore, Lily bit my head off for speaking my mind to Magnus, and then proceeded to inform me that as a late arriving artist, that Mysti, Spellbox, nor I would NEVER make the 50K mark because only the artists that were on here first and early would ever succeed. She was wrong then too. Magnus spammed EVERYONE about collaborating on the 'save the childre SONG', not sure what 'thing' you're talking about. And my comment to you and mysti were on the approach you took and your nasty, uncalled for replied to Magnus. I took offence because I thought he was very nice, polite and thought it was a good idea. Others, whom disagreed with me just deleted his comment and others replied with a 'thank you, let me know'...you on the other hand went over board. I have since learned about your very 'defensive' personality and learned to cope with it. as far as me saving a child, I never claimed i have...but as stated, If I can do something to help Magnus, I will. Plain and simple. It is obvious you got your opinions about everything, but so do I and many others who want to help. As Klaus just stated, if you don't believe in this, don't donate (not that you were going to in the first place) and move on. ;D
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Post by lily on Jun 4, 2007 21:34:01 GMT
I have done my research on USAfrica LLC as listed - the web page is useless and vague in these regards. Lily, could you please obtain a copy for me - any smart business transaction or legal nonprofit will request, make available and read before linking themselves or their name to an LLC. Thanks much, muah beijos Elise Elise, this threat is about helping Magnus...some people have donated money to me for this cause, initially to get him a plane ticket, help with the visa expenses to get him to France, where he has friends who can help him with a home to stay as well as finding a job. But after some discussions, and the questionings, someone suggested for me to send him some $ so he can pay to go online and join this discussions and answer some questions we have for him. I'm not sure what the USAfrica LLC has to do with this. I am responsible for this money. I will directly send the money to Magnus, as needed. Some are giving me ideas as to the best approach on this, and the last suggestion was to get Magnus online, which is what I'm doing. Getting a hold of him is not easy, but rest assure I'm working on it. If you have any suggestions/ideas let me know. Lily
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Post by klaus on Jun 4, 2007 22:16:37 GMT
What/Who is USAfrica? Google seems to point to a newspaper in Houston, TX.
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Post by klaus on Jun 4, 2007 22:27:39 GMT
Never mind - I found a link to a company that appears to be operated by Willem. Looking back at the question: I don't think an LLC is required to publish the names of its directors or any statutes. But the rules may vary depending on where it is organized. LLC is not a public company, it's a form of organization similar to a partnership with similar liability protection as a corporation.
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Post by ucancalmesweethart on Jun 4, 2007 22:32:50 GMT
Lily, well according to Mr. Tijssen and Magnus - the USAfrica LLC is what is running or representing as the ground corporation (Limited liability corporation) for this 'Save the Children' action or apparent association Magnus is supposedly using to reach and make a difference for poverty affected children. (You may do some research on what LLCs are as well) The information I am asking for is common ground for any other business or interested npo governmental or private entity in even considering linking up with, or supporting another organization. According to the verbage on their legal page - it must be international as it works out of two war and poverty affected African countries. The verbage on the legal page is lengthy and simultaneously vague - its to be quite honest frightening. Several things about this entire topic concern me - which is why I have avoided the controversy - however - my concern at this level would not be people giving their money to whatever cause - be it sellaband or save the children - my concern is for you personally. By receiving money from private parties and holding it in your name in whatever type of account .- you are opening yourself to a huge variety of legal considerations and complications - on an international level - that I am not sure you realize. Lets just say, considering my work, that I have some experience internationally - and with african countries - and relevant issues. I would suggest that you remove your personal name from anything to do with collecting funds or the transference of funds to any organization, and even more so LLCs in foreign countries, or persons therefore representing them. There is no reason to endanger your person or reputation - and it is a HUGE risk on your part. Or, you should ask for the basics and have your lawyer read through things beforehand. Whether or not I think, or have found information as to the validity or legality of this business venture - and personal situation of Magnus is irrelevant. I also will not discuss it on such an open public stage. I do suggest, out of honest and serious concern for your person, that you step back and get some legal advice - and not from just anyone on the internet.
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Post by mandocello on Jun 4, 2007 23:08:06 GMT
#2 when I first joined sellaband I was spammed from Magnus about this whole save the children thing. And when I posted on his comments to not spam me anymore, Lily bit my head off for speaking my mind to Magnus, and then proceeded to inform me that as a late arriving artist, that Mysti, Spellbox, nor I would NEVER make the 50K mark because only the artists that were on here first and early would ever succeed. She was wrong then too. Magnus spammed EVERYONE about collaborating on the 'save the childre SONG', not sure what 'thing' you're talking about. And my comment to you and mysti were on the approach you took and your nasty, uncalled for replied to Magnus. I took offence because I thought he was very nice, polite and thought it was a good idea. Others, whom disagreed with me just deleted his comment and others replied with a 'thank you, let me know'...you on the other hand went over board. I have since learned about your very 'defensive' personality and learned to cope with it. as far as me saving a child, I never claimed i have...but as stated, If I can do something to help Magnus, I will. Plain and simple. It is obvious you got your opinions about everything, but so do I and many others who want to help. As Klaus just stated, if you don't believe in this, don't donate (not that you were going to in the first place) and move on. ;D Yikes!!! This is Mysti Mayhem, and I have hijacked Mandocello´s username!!!! (sorry Mando, but I sneaked on this thread and saw my name was mentioned above from Lily). LLC´s are GREAT ways of laundering money. I love the loop holes in business. I am very disappointed with this entire thread. Miss Lily, if you feel so concerned with Magnus, perphaps you should offer him your Sellaband contract, I think he would appreciate that. I am not sure what the rules are on Sellaband as the contract keeps changing, but I am sure your believers would stand by your decision to do so. And as for the negativity, I am shocked, and disgusted by everyone´s behavior. I do not think a donation to Magnus is even appropriate for this message board. This thread should be locked and thrown away, for it is a bad reflection and in poor taste to even discuss this any further. Shame on you all. Sincerely, Mysti Mayhem
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