metricks
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Post by metricks on Jun 8, 2007 14:00:02 GMT
I´m really thinking in quit from sellaband as an artist. Of course if i do that i´ll stay as believer, as i can´t stop thinking of so much good music i´ve been listening in the place, and great artists that deserve all possible support.
But the truth, is that i mainly receive feed back from artists, and almost none believers, exception to the beautifull Li And Jaydoubleyou.
So, i think i don´t have any potential to listeners and believers, and it may make me re thought my presence as an artist there, if people don´t buy i understand, don´t have feed back, is really not so good to the soul.
So, it is that horrible my music? that don´t deserve a word or two?
my apologies to have brought these feelings of mine to light
if you care a little, and don´t mind writing some character, please give me your opinion
Many thanks
J.André aka Metricks
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weerick
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Post by weerick on Jun 8, 2007 14:14:06 GMT
I guess you could do one of two things, you could quit and give up, but then you'll never know if you would have made that target. Or go into promotional overdrive. Get out there, play shows, burst you arse and get doing online promotion like you never have before, make up some crazy believer incentives and go for it.
what have ya gotta loose but abit of time? Keep at it dude...
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metricks
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Post by metricks on Jun 8, 2007 14:26:14 GMT
I guess you could do one of two things, you could quit and give up, but then you'll never know if you would have made that target. Or go into promotional overdrive. Get out there, play shows, burst you arse and get doing online promotion like you never have before, make up some crazy believer incentives and go for it. what have ya gotta loose but abit of time? Keep at it dude... thank you for your kind answer! Metricks is not a show man, is intimist music, and it is not my main and principal propose to be "on the road". I think you can understand that music can be a part of our lifes in a lot of moments, not only in concerts and in great emotional endevaours as festivals, and so. There is music that can be listened in your most ordinary moments, like studing, reading, or only relaxing... and still have a place in our lifes. About loosing time....i´m online involved in so many communities, and helping promoting my music, and lot of other artists since 1998. So, i think i do a lot, with all my energies... 9 years now.... i´ve written thousand of post and in a lot of communities, not only promoting my music, but others music as well, some sites still prevail others don´t. I promote SAB in different places, trying to bring a lot of other artists to the place, but they are still ceptical about the place, for much posts i still do. In my opinion, the believers should support the artits, give them good kicks in the moral, understand their personality, and after that support them if they think that they deserve, but not expecting more than what the man/band is and can do...
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weerick
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Post by weerick on Jun 8, 2007 15:29:01 GMT
I get you, Listening to your music it's quite calm...really chill back and zone out kinda stuff. It could deffinatly be something to listen to when you've got alot on your mind. I know also what you mean about Artists and people being a bit sketchy about it... we've had "punks" tell us that we're selling out. f**k OFF! lol.... who made you the elite f**k**g master of punk? i mean, punk is about doing whatever the f**k you like and screwing authority, not sucuming to RULES and regulations of how to be punk. wanks.
rant over.
anyway, i hope you keep at it. and deffinalty keep making that music, i read that you've already been recognised for it. thats great dude... keep going and maybe someone will help you get where you want to be.
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Utterly B Groovy
Somewhat Sellaband addicted
He Moves And He Grooves But He Don't Got Hooves
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Post by Utterly B Groovy on Jun 8, 2007 16:30:51 GMT
Hey Metricks, Don't quit man ;D That Weerick fella's right ya know - your tunes are kinda soothing. I sometimes wonder if Artists who join SAB think it's going to be a one-stop-shop for fame and fortune, but it's not - well, not necessarily anyway. Obviously some Artists come in with an established fan-base who are happy to pre-buy their CD and that can skew people's perception of what it's about. You know it isn't a race, as has been said before (countless times), it's a journey. Sure, you've had a slow start, but it's somewhere to air your music, along with Last FM, and maybe mySpace - just vehicles to get your music out there for people to listen. Obviously, here, people can vote with their wallets too, and you've attracted more Believers than the majority of the Artists here already! It would seem you've looking at you glass as half-empty, when actually it's really half-full! :-) UBG
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Post by glassmoon on Jun 8, 2007 16:50:00 GMT
Hey Metricks,
What else can we say then: DONT quit!!! Just get involved in the community a bit more (if you have the time). Then its of no concern how fast you go on SAB. We felt the same as you do. But UBG is right. It isnt a race. And spending time with our SAB friends is rewarding enough (a part of 100 more wouldnt hurt though ;-))
But letting people know of your music and every now and then a little gift for buying parts does the trick! Although people realy should believe caus of the music! And yours is quit good and relaxing indeed! Something we need on SAB too!
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Post by Lucretia on Jun 9, 2007 0:51:45 GMT
Hi metricks. Often the key to success is finding active believers who like your music. We are getting so many artists sign up compared to the number of believers that get really active, that it's difficult for a committed but "quiet" artist to get noticed properly. I can only think of a handful of believers who listen to every new artist (I am one of them), so unless you are lucky and get a few active ones who will try and promote you to other believers round the site who like your sort of music, or you have a lot of believers sign up in a short time who invest enough money to get you on the weekly charts, you have a lot of work to do to get noticed. I will have listened to you back when you signed up but as your music doesn't appeal to me personally, it's unlikely I'd visit you again unless we happened to get some conversation going in amongst the other couple of hundred people (mostly artists) that I seem to talk to. I have to admit it's only in the past couple of weeks that I've really started to notice you around, and that is good because it means you stand more of a chance of being noticed than you were before. I'm on Sellaband so much, that if I haven't spotted an artist around the site, then it's likely others haven't either. There are so many artists that seem to just create a profile and never visit Sellaband again that it is easy to get lost in-between them Like UBG says, this is not a race. Many believers can only invest a couple of parts at any one time, and often can only do this once a month, so it can take longer than you expect to get started anyway. I think every active believer out there is struggling to find the money to invest in everyone they'd like to - there is just so much great music on this site that many believers will wait for you to come to them, rather than actively look for you because their wish lists are so long already. Having listened to your music again to remind me of what sound you have, I would suggest you talk to Nearfield. They have had similar problems to you and have found it a real struggle to get to where they are now on the second page. In your case, I think they might be one of the ones in the best position to offer advice to help you get believers. Take a look at the profiles of some of Nearfield's believers too and consider sending them a message to listen to you (think of which believer names you have seen in messages on profiles on the site - they probably visit Sellaband regularly and so are more likely to stop by and listen to you once you let them know you are there). Finding other artists with more money than you on Sellaband and with similar music can give you a good idea of which believers might like you. Try talking to some of those artists and believers first - others will start to follow as they see believers with similar music tastes start to take an interest in you. I hope this advice proves to be of some help for you. I don't like to see artists give up on this site, but I think many underestimate the work or the patience that is required when they sign up. From my own point of view, I know I wish I could leave some kind of message for every artist I listen to, but the time involved gets crazy, particularly when you consider the number of artists signing up, that I currently believe in 112 artists and have a wish list that scares people, am one of only 2 believers with over 10000 profile views (want to guess how many messages I get on an average day?), run this forum, am trying to earn a living working for myself, work on the Vegas Dragons website AND (potentially) start getting involved with another 2 projects related to Sellaband in the next few weeks. Some time for leisure would be nice one day. ;D
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mandocello
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Post by mandocello on Jun 9, 2007 1:40:52 GMT
If you quit, you will never fall down. And if you never fall down, you will never learn to get back up, if that makes any sense. Quiters don't win. But loosers do. Because they tredge on and on and keep trying until one day they find themselves where they want to be. So, don't quit. It's that simple. If current angle is not working, try & find another until you arrive at a formula that works for you. There's little places in the world for us all. We just need to find them.
Carry on....
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metricks
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Post by metricks on Jun 9, 2007 12:02:02 GMT
I get you, Listening to your music it's quite calm...really chill back and zone out kinda stuff. It could deffinatly be something to listen to when you've got alot on your mind. I know also what you mean about Artists and people being a bit sketchy about it... we've had "punks" tell us that we're selling out. f**k OFF! lol.... who made you the elite f**k**g master of punk? i mean, punk is about doing whatever the f**k you like and screwing authority, not sucuming to RULES and regulations of how to be punk. wanks. rant over. anyway, i hope you keep at it. and deffinalty keep making that music, i read that you've already been recognised for it. thats great dude... keep going and maybe someone will help you get where you want to be. Thank you once again for your great answer, and for your time I´ve also drop you a comment in your SAB Artist page. And yes even that i consider to quit sellaband, i won´t give up my craft, it is a part of me. And as you say:"keep going and maybe someone will help you get where you want to be", my main complaint is for not having feed back, and feed back can be more supportive or less supportive, but it is feed back. My complaints are not about people don´t buy me parts...i never said that, but above all that i don´t receive feed back. In any other foruns and boards, it is all about feed back, because there is no money involved, and people even that don´t like your work, might have the courage to say you that, and say"it´s not my cup of tea, but keep it going!" My best wishes for your project and for yourself! And thank you once again for the time, and the listening comments about! As well, for the contribution for this reflexion! I hope you can drop me a word or two in my artist page @sab
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weerick
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Post by weerick on Jun 9, 2007 12:25:26 GMT
awsome dude, like said..on your SAB page it be cool to see your music on some more indie films and shorts etc. so yeah, cool, keep it going man!!
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metricks
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Post by metricks on Jun 9, 2007 12:46:53 GMT
Hey Metricks, Don't quit man ;D That Weerick fella's right ya know - your tunes are kinda soothing. I sometimes wonder if Artists who join SAB think it's going to be a one-stop-shop for fame and fortune, but it's not - well, not necessarily anyway. Obviously some Artists come in with an established fan-base who are happy to pre-buy their CD and that can skew people's perception of what it's about. You know it isn't a race, as has been said before (countless times), it's a journey. Sure, you've had a slow start, but it's somewhere to air your music, along with Last FM, and maybe mySpace - just vehicles to get your music out there for people to listen. Obviously, here, people can vote with their wallets too, and you've attracted more Believers than the majority of the Artists here already! It would seem you've looking at you glass as half-empty, when actually it's really half-full! :-) UBG Thank you for believing in my continuation within the site Thank you for your time, and for your great answer. And for listening some of my tunes, and giving me feed back. Even, that i´d loved that you made that one line critic, in my SAB artistic profile:"That Weerick fella's right ya know - your tunes are kinda soothing." And don´t really know why everybody still says that this is not a race, and when a lot of people appears to be confusing art, artists and artistic craft, with Money and parts. My complaints, and once again, i referr, are about...feed back, in my opinion is not synonimous of money or a part...even that almost everybody is transfigurated in that direction. As i say in my presentation post here in the forum, i have my music in a big number of OMD´s, and that includes Last FM, mySpace, Artistlaunch, Scrubrecords, Independent artist company, Project Oveerseer Productions, Purevolume, Audiostreet, Tagworld, Soundclick, Beatbiz, just to name a few. And yes they are really great vehicles to get the music out there for people to listen. And i can´t say that Metricks music, have not a considrable visibility within some of this great sites, For example, in Last.Fm, my project in doing very well, as i can see by my unique listeners counter (not the plays counter, wich is also very good by ths time). And also for some feed back, in my page, but as well by e-mails i receive there. In nine years of existence of the Metricks project, i believe that i could achieved more, but i´m not unhappy with what i achieved so far. As i said before, i belong to other communities, also fulled of great talented artists, wich i regularly try to bring to SAB, but they stay still ceptical, cause for them, SAB is not a Journey , it is more a race... I invite you or any other believer, to drop them a word (if anyone interested i would give you the adress of one particularly) and exposing your arguements, so that you can bring them to SAB! and yes they are a lot active as they use their internet and omds connections and foruns for years now. And utterlybgroovy, it is not the glass or the water, that make me moove...it is the feed back And thank you for your supportfull words, truly apreciated! Keep that great spirit, of supporter and music lover!
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metricks
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Post by metricks on Jun 11, 2007 13:34:18 GMT
Hey Metricks, What else can we say then: DONT quit!!! Just get involved in the community a bit more (if you have the time). Then its of no concern how fast you go on SAB. We felt the same as you do. But UBG is right. It isnt a race. And spending time with our SAB friends is rewarding enough (a part of 100 more wouldnt hurt though ;-)) But letting people know of your music and every now and then a little gift for buying parts does the trick! Although people realy should believe caus of the music! And yours is quit good and relaxing indeed! Something we need on SAB too! Thank you a lot for your words And yes your advice is real, there must be no concern how fast you go on sab. And i believe you that the most difficult is at the start. I´m spending a little bit more possible time supporting the sab artists, and i hope to be more participative too. And your music is quite good too! Thank you a lot for your time and for your answer!
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metricks
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Post by metricks on Jun 15, 2007 19:47:33 GMT
Hi metricks. Often the key to success is finding active believers who like your music. We are getting so many artists sign up compared to the number of believers that get really active, that it's difficult for a committed but "quiet" artist to get noticed properly. I can only think of a handful of believers who listen to every new artist (I am one of them), so unless you are lucky and get a few active ones who will try and promote you to other believers round the site who like your sort of music, or you have a lot of believers sign up in a short time who invest enough money to get you on the weekly charts, you have a lot of work to do to get noticed. I will have listened to you back when you signed up but as your music doesn't appeal to me personally, it's unlikely I'd visit you again unless we happened to get some conversation going in amongst the other couple of hundred people (mostly artists) that I seem to talk to. I have to admit it's only in the past couple of weeks that I've really started to notice you around, and that is good because it means you stand more of a chance of being noticed than you were before. I'm on Sellaband so much, that if I haven't spotted an artist around the site, then it's likely others haven't either. There are so many artists that seem to just create a profile and never visit Sellaband again that it is easy to get lost in-between them Like UBG says, this is not a race. Many believers can only invest a couple of parts at any one time, and often can only do this once a month, so it can take longer than you expect to get started anyway. I think every active believer out there is struggling to find the money to invest in everyone they'd like to - there is just so much great music on this site that many believers will wait for you to come to them, rather than actively look for you because their wish lists are so long already. Having listened to your music again to remind me of what sound you have, I would suggest you talk to Nearfield. They have had similar problems to you and have found it a real struggle to get to where they are now on the second page. In your case, I think they might be one of the ones in the best position to offer advice to help you get believers. Take a look at the profiles of some of Nearfield's believers too and consider sending them a message to listen to you (think of which believer names you have seen in messages on profiles on the site - they probably visit Sellaband regularly and so are more likely to stop by and listen to you once you let them know you are there). Finding other artists with more money than you on Sellaband and with similar music can give you a good idea of which believers might like you. Try talking to some of those artists and believers first - others will start to follow as they see believers with similar music tastes start to take an interest in you. I hope this advice proves to be of some help for you. I don't like to see artists give up on this site, but I think many underestimate the work or the patience that is required when they sign up. From my own point of view, I know I wish I could leave some kind of message for every artist I listen to, but the time involved gets crazy, particularly when you consider the number of artists signing up, that I currently believe in 112 artists and have a wish list that scares people, am one of only 2 believers with over 10000 profile views (want to guess how many messages I get on an average day?), run this forum, am trying to earn a living working for myself, work on the Vegas Dragons website AND (potentially) start getting involved with another 2 projects related to Sellaband in the next few weeks. Some time for leisure would be nice one day. ;D Hello Lucretia First my apologies for the time it took me to answer you, but i have been with so many things to do, that some times i feel completely lost, however i try allways (sometimes i fail, i admit) to get back to all comunications that i have in my pending mind status. And for sure, your was one of them. I believe in your words, when you say that you are getting more artists than believers, and it is a an hard way to get believers, even for those bands that really are active in SAB. There is so many talent trying to get their shoot of opportunity, and SAB seems to be unique in the format, and really appealing in the general concept. I hope that in some way SAB can get focus in targeting more believers, so that there can be more equilibrium in the relationship artists/believers. But i believe that in time, the scoope of believers will be wider, and more artists in other aproaches than the more conventional will get their chance too. SAB is operating 9-10 months now, and for sure that the management is really happy with the effective result, and the social impact thet the project achieved so far. As you referr, there are not many believers that listened all the new music that reaches the site, and i have to give you my biggest compliment, and truly admiration, cause for sure there aren´t many people that could embrasse the quest of discovery as you. But for sure is rewarding and very gratifing, even that it can be extensive and deep work. I think my quest here will be embrassed within my timings and my possible efforts, but as you say, "unless you are lucky", and i usually don´t have much luck, as work as been always my only fountain of reward, i think it will be a very difficult quest. You also give me great advices, as you say:" get a few active ones who will try and promote you to other believers round the site who like your sort of music", it appears that i will have some diffculties in that point, as i failed to attract you as possible listener of my music I still (like to) believe i have a lot of fans of my music, but i would like to think that the principal reason for they not invest in my sab proposal, is that they are not aware of SAB, or for some any other reason. So, as result of that, i will not have any chances to appear in the charts, and get more noticed. Is good to know that you have finnaly spotted me, and i hope that more people can discover my music as well too. I have been personaly with Alex a couple of months ago, and it was really great to know the portuguese ambassador in SAB, we had a great conversation about SAB, SAB Artists, the indie panorama,and many other issues. it was really great, and i hope to repeat it soon. But Lucretia, about dropping messages for people listen to my music, i don´t have that kind of aproach, i don´t know why, but it seems, that i´m invading your (the listener) soul...so even that it takes time...and never reached the end... i will try to be invited by your soul, and somehow feel that my music achieved that small spot that really intends to fill.... and that for sure will be more important than a part... Lucretia, once again, and as i referred before, my indigantion was never turned in the direction of the money and the parts, as you point too, but for feed back....for the pleasure of listening music, and for the simple pleasure of expressing your opinion about it. Even that i can´t ask you specificaly to do it, as i fell already honoured for knowing that you listened my songs at SAB, truly apreciated. My sincere thanks for your time, and for your point of view, it is beautifull, that we all can express our opinions and point of views. The beauty of freedom of speech! And Lucretia...you are awesome! For your indie spirit, for your support for so many artists, for your bravery in defending your ideials! For being genuine! You´ve got a new fan! And if i can help in any thing, i´m at your orders! J.André aka Metricks
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metricks
Sellaband addict in waiting
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Post by metricks on Jun 15, 2007 20:30:31 GMT
If you quit, you will never fall down. And if you never fall down, you will never learn to get back up, if that makes any sense. Quiters don't win. But loosers do. Because they tredge on and on and keep trying until one day they find themselves where they want to be. So, don't quit. It's that simple. If current angle is not working, try & find another until you arrive at a formula that works for you. There's little places in the world for us all. We just need to find them. Carry on.... Hello Mandocello I like your philosophical aproach to the matter in discussion And i think i agree with you, and that exposures of yours! I tried to find you at SAB, but no success. I believe you have no page there...have you? but i listened to your works at myspace, and i really liked the emotion inside the music! Very cool sound indeed! Best wishes for your project and for the great music!
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Utterly B Groovy
Somewhat Sellaband addicted
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Post by Utterly B Groovy on Jun 16, 2007 10:03:10 GMT
UBG's Link Service in association with Big Beer and H.L.A.D Enterprises presents :- Mandocello UBG ps ... anyone still here?
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